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Rate the 1978 BSG Series How does it stand up as a series?

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Rate the 1978 BSG Series

  1. 5 Cubits (5 votes [62.50%])

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  2. 4 Cubits (1 votes [12.50%])

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  3. 3 Cubits (2 votes [25.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 25.00%

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 03:26 AM

Rate and discuss the 1978 BSG series as a whole here.

How does it stand up to more modern SciFi series'?
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Posted 15 March 2012 - 07:29 AM

A solid 3 IMO.

There were some really solid episodes ("Saga...", "Living Legend," "Hand of God") but there were PLENTY of clunkers as well ("Greetings From Earth" "The Long Patrol," "Take the Celestra"). The visuals and FX were utterly groundbreaking for their time (when I was a kid? It was easily the most exciting show on the air). The actors had a warmth and familial feel in their roles. Lorne Greene was a perfect patriarch. Hatch, Benedict and Jefferson formed sort of a Kirk, Spock and McCoy troika of their own. The women, while not always used well, were (nevertheless) almost preternaturally beautiful (Glen Larson had a knack for picking childhood crushes of mine for his shows! :naughty3dg: ). The look and feel of the show was often top-notch as well; with gorgeous cinematography and beautiful costumes (the Cylon centurions still look amazing today!). Also, it was great family entertainment; something we don't have too much of these days.

However, on the negative side? The plots were often deeply flawed; with motivations and twists that often made NO sense in context to the rest of the show (they would have 'abilities' one week that would disappear the next; some of the 'strategies' used were erratic to the point of being insane). The rampant sexism (see "Lost Planet of the Gods"; where women became pilots only as a last resort, and were treated like children) and disturbing politics (the show seems to advocate martial law over democratic representation; even as a kid, I thought that was vaguely disturbing). Spoken dialogue was, at times, almost unspeakable (with lots of '-on' suffixes and 'astro' and 'mega' prefixes attached to words to make them sound 'futuristic'; came off as rather awkward and goofy). There was NO science to speak of; which is OK in a fantasy like Star Wars, but in a show where the characters supposedly live in a remote corner of OUR universe (looking for Earth)? There should be at least an attempt or two to obey our universe's natural laws, ala Star Trek.

But all in all? For an 11-12 yr old toaster in 1978? It was a lot of fun and very inspirational (through it, I also got into many other scifi shows). And the root ideas of the show led to it's perfected progeny; the simply awesome 2003 version of BSG, which is one show I do NOT have to make any excuses for. It not only addressed almost ALL of the nits I had of the earlier show, but moved quickly out of it's shadow to become a sophisticated, very adult piece of entertainment on it's own. As I've said before, the 1978 show was great when I was a kid; NuBSG spoke much better to me as a thirty-fortysomething adult....
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Posted 15 March 2012 - 09:19 AM

I agree with what OT said. BSG was great as a kid in 1978 but if you were to put that show on TV today brand new it wouldn't last passed the pilot. In many ways it reminded me of Voyager. Ship stuck out in the middle of no where and although supplies are low the crew can still gamble in casino's and are well fed. The special effects at the time were top notch but you could see that they spent the budget on the first few episodes then recycled them at every given opportunity.

I don't think kids these days would relate as well as our generation did. The show seemed to simplify too many major factors.

Often I would wonder if they would released BSG with new effects (as a cash grab). The space battles could have more angles instead of the same recycled shots. By this I don't mean they George Lucas it but do like they did with Star Trek the Motion Picture. They managed to integrate new shots that you wouldn't notice the difference unless you saw the original.

If I was 10 years old watching the show back in the day I would give the show 4/5 but as an adult I will give it a three.
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Posted 15 March 2012 - 10:16 AM

View Postp0is0n0us, on 15 March 2012 - 09:19 AM, said:

Often I would wonder if they would released BSG with new effects (as a cash grab). The space battles could have more angles instead of the same recycled shots. By this I don't mean they George Lucas it but do like they did with Star Trek the Motion Picture. They managed to integrate new shots that you wouldn't notice the difference unless you saw the original.

That's a really neat idea, P. :thumbsup: :cylonclap:

Personally I think the Star Trek TOS remastered sets are a PERFECT example of seamlessly upgrading FX without compromising story or characterization. The new FX illustrated points spoken in dialogue that were not rendered in the original FX, and they created new ships where stock models (or blobs of animation) were used before, etc.

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I don't know if Universal would ever do this for BSG, but I for one would LOVE to see TOS BSG space battles that weren't just rehashes of footage from the pilot...
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Posted 15 March 2012 - 06:41 PM

I gave the original series a five cubit rank! It deserves it. It was written by so many talented people and it did endure long enough to justify a new series for which without the performance of the original one, a new show would not have been possible. I love it! Great dramatic performances, great situations that pressured the crew against the Cylons and often, against each other. I hope others agree with me that the original series had all the heart and determination of the new series. :adama-pancarte001:
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Posted 15 March 2012 - 10:37 PM

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I gave the original series a five cubit rank! It deserves it. It was written by so many talented people and it did endure long enough to justify a new series for which without the performance of the original on would not have been possible. I love it! Great dramatic performances, great situations that pressured the crew against the Cylons and often, against each other. I hope others agree with me that the original series had all the heart and determination of the new series. :adama-pancarte001:

I'm just curious and seriously; I'm not knocking your opinion here, but have you watched the TOS recently? I'm just wondering if you'd still think it stacks up to the 2003 series. My memories of TOS are pretty warm and fuzzy, but in watching it recently with a critical cap on, it's just not what I remembered from my childhood....

But I'm just curious if you've seen TOS more recently and if you still believe it's as good. No offense, but I'm kind of blown away by your strong favorable comparison between the two, because IMO (except for plot and a few character names) they could not BE more contrasting in style or in content. They are such radically different shows that IMO a comparison (let alone a favorable one) between them is like comparing "Car 54, Where Are You?" to "The Wire."

Where do you see the similarities (besides names of characters)? Do you really think TOS is as good as NuBSG? I'm sincerely curious...
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Posted 16 March 2012 - 11:37 PM

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I'm just curious and seriously; I'm not knocking your opinion here, but have you watched the TOS recently? I'm just wondering if you'd still think it stacks up to the 2003 series. My memories of TOS are pretty warm and fuzzy, but in watching it recently with a critical cap on, it's just not what I remembered from my childhood....

But I'm just curious if you've seen TOS more recently and if you still believe it's as good. No offense, but I'm kind of blown away by your strong favorable comparison between the two, because IMO (except for plot and a few character names) they could not BE more contrasting in style or in content. They are such radically different shows that IMO a comparison (let alone a favorable one) between them is like comparing "Car 54, Where Are You?" to "The Wire."

Where do you see the similarities (besides names of characters)? Do you really think TOS is as good as NuBSG? I'm sincerely curious...


I definitely think the new one is far better than the original one was, but what I said and I quote, " It was written by so many talented people and it did endure long enough to justify a new series." Plus it has the same HEART as the new one does. If the original series had nothing to offer people, it would have died off in the 70's and stayed there. But it endured and inspired the New Series. The new series capitalized on the original one in more than one way. So it took its characters, its situation and ideas and expanded on them brilliantly and did a great job!

I have not seen the original series for some time. Approximately 4 years, but I still like it, I don't see it exactly as I did as when I was a kid but I still feel fondly about the original series. I sincerely believe that it was the concept and ideas that made the new series possible. Otherwise, if the new series didn't have the original series to follow, it would have died off faster than Blood and Chrome.

I don't think all the shows were gems with the original one, some scenes and sets and everything else are almost laughable now, but from another perspective, it was a great series, people remembered fondly and demanded that it be brought back and it was brought back as a new series. Battlestar Galactica inspired 3 new shows. Not since Star Trek has a series been able to justify so many spin offs. So, sincerely stand by my rating of 5 cubits because it was a great series. I am willing to bet that the new cast will agree with me. I hope this clarifies what I originally stated and why I voted 5 cubits.
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Posted 16 March 2012 - 11:53 PM

View PostCaptain Taurus, on 16 March 2012 - 11:37 PM, said:

I definitely think the new one is far better than the original one was, but what I said and I quote, " It was written by so many talented people and it did endure long enough to justify a new series." Plus it has the same HEART as the new one does. If the original series had nothing to offer people, it would have died off in the 70's and stayed there. But it endured and inspired the New Series. The new series capitalized on the original one in more than one way. So it took its characters, its situation and ideas and expanded on them brilliantly and did a great job!

I have not seen the original series for some time. Approximately 4 years, but I still like it, I don't see it exactly as I did as when I was a kid but I still feel fondly about the original series. I sincerely believe that it was the concept and ideas that made the new series possible. Otherwise, if the new series didn't have the original series to follow, it would have died off faster than Blood and Chrome.

I don't think all the shows were gems with the original one, some scenes and sets and everything else are almost laughable now, but from another perspective, it was a great series, people remembered fondly and demanded that it be brought back and it was brought back as a new series. Battlestar Galactica inspired 3 new shows. Not since Star Trek has a series been able to justify so many spin offs. So, sincerely stand by my rating of 5 cubits because it was a great series. I am willing to bet that the new cast will agree with me. I hope this clarifies what I originally stated and why I voted 5 cubits.


I see more of where you're coming from, but it sounds like it's getting the 5 rating because it had many interesting ideas that led to a better series; not so much that it was deserving of 5 on it's own merits. Like TOS was the acorn, not the mighty oak (that was NuBSG). I mean, I feel fondly about TOS too, but I also realize that it's more sentiment talking than rational critiquing. But if sentiment gets it a 5 in your book? Hey, so be it.
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Not telling anyone how to rate (nor would I presume), but I was curious. Just saying... :)

As for the new cast? I think Tamaoh Penikett, Jamie Bamber and Aaron Douglas have all gone on record as being TOS BSG fans ( :thumbup: ), but I also know that EJO and MMcD were NOT fond of it at all. In fact, I read somewhere that EJO told fans of TOS to NOT watch the new show (as it was so different). And Mary thought her agent was joking when he submitted the pilot miniseries to her. :lol:
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Posted 17 March 2012 - 06:03 AM

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I see more of where you're coming from, but it sounds like it's getting the 5 rating because it had many interesting ideas that led to a better series; not so much that it was deserving of 5 on it's own merits. Like TOS was the acorn, not the mighty oak (that was NuBSG). I mean, I feel fondly about TOS too, but I also realize that it's more sentiment talking than rational critiquing. But if sentiment gets it a 5 in your book? Hey, so be it.
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Not telling anyone how to rate (nor would I presume), but I was curious. Just saying... :)

As for the new cast? I think Tamaoh Penikett, Jamie Bamber and Aaron Douglas have all gone on record as being TOS BSG fans ( :thumbup: ), but I also know that EJO and MMcD were NOT fond of it at all. In fact, I read somewhere that EJO told fans of TOS to NOT watch the new show (as it was so different). And Mary thought her agent was joking when he submitted the pilot miniseries to her. :lol:


Mmmmmm....let me see...I can't speak for all the episodes again, it has been too many years since I last saw the original series to give it fair play but from what I recall, many of the episodes were solid. The miniseries, was awesome. So good, it was released in theaters with a 3 million dollar budget and was a box office success.

Many of the episodes were written by David Bellisario - producer of such great shows such as Quantum Leap, Magnum PI and now NCIS. Many of the stories were amazing. Dealing with the struggles of trying to save humanity such as dealing with starvation, radiation poisoning, being prey to other alien races, life and death; I sincerely think that many of the episodes were building blocks for the new series. But on its own merit, based on what was done back then, was a great tv series.

I enjoyed rewatching it 4 years ago and I am sure I would enjoy it again. I think because so many of the episodes are memorable, that it does justify giving it a 5 cubit rating. I believe that the new series has certainly dominated over all of the BSG episodes and tv series. Caprica just didn't follow suit with Galactica. Great idea but low in calories!

Yes, the new series is far superior, but then again, it should be. They've had over 25 years to hammer out stories to get it right. The casting was solid. Love the new Starbuck, in more than one way! :) Special effects were amazing, great drama, great acting, and dealing with many of the same issues as the original series only on a more epic scale. So I am not comparing the two, but I am saying that the original one is certainly the blue print and inspiration for the new series. They both possess the same dramatic HEART dealing with the plight of mankind's struggle to get to Earth.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 10:31 AM

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Caprica just didn't follow suit with Galactica. Great idea but low in calories!

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Less filling, half the taste... :P

Caprica was (IMO) a good idea that stumbled badly in execution. It never really struck the right tone (mob story, science fiction, weepy family melodrama, etc). It tried to skate on all of these themes but never really seemed committed to any of them. And the whole V-world thing was just a HUGE waste of time (kind of like V-world in OUR world... :lol: ).

Still, as spinoffs go? It was "Citizen Kane" next to G1980; that's the Star Wars Holiday Special of BSG history. If the rest of "Caprica" had been as good as it's final five episodes (when the pressure of cancellation was probably at it's worst)? It would've been an amazing show...

And CT, you're right about TOS BSG being a seminal idea that yielded a LOT of good television. It really did. Star Trek may be the prolific scifi spinoff champion, with Stargate and Dr Who following behind. But BSG is definitely still in the game. Although I'm not so sure about BSG's future, given that Bryan Singer has abandoned the feature film idea yet AGAIN (three strikes at bat and you're OUT, Singer). The project is now off of his imdb page; file this under "not surprised". And "Blood and Chrome" seems to be having a really BAD case of stage fright....
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Personally, I'd like the franchise to wait and settle for a nice long time before another spinoff or (needless) remake is attempted. Don't just slap something together to cash in on the BSG brand name. Let it rest until something really FRESH can be brought to the table (like the 25 yr slumber BSG enjoyed until it's amazing 'second coming' in 2003).
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Posted 17 March 2012 - 08:46 PM

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Less filling, half the taste... :P

Caprica was (IMO) a good idea that stumbled badly in execution. It never really struck the right tone (mob story, science fiction, weepy family melodrama, etc). It tried to skate on all of these themes but never really seemed committed to any of them. And the whole V-world thing was just a HUGE waste of time (kind of like V-world in OUR world... :lol: ).

Still, as spinoffs go? It was "Citizen Kane" next to G1980; that's the Star Wars Holiday Special of BSG history. If the rest of "Caprica" had been as good as it's final five episodes (when the pressure of cancellation was probably at it's worst)? It would've been an amazing show...

And CT, you're right about TOS BSG being a seminal idea that yielded a LOT of good television. It really did. Star Trek may be the prolific scifi spinoff champion, with Stargate and Dr Who following behind. But BSG is definitely still in the game. Although I'm not so sure about BSG's future, given that Bryan Singer has abandoned the feature film idea yet AGAIN (three strikes at bat and you're OUT, Singer). The project is now off of his imdb page; file this under "not surprised". And "Blood and Chrome" seems to be having a really BAD case of stage fright....
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Personally, I'd like the franchise to wait and settle for a nice long time before another spinoff or (needless) remake is attempted. Don't just slap something together to cash in on the BSG brand name. Let it rest until something really FRESH can be brought to the table (like the 25 yr slumber BSG enjoyed until it's amazing 'second coming' in 2003).
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Well said, old friend! I did not know that Singer had abandoned it again! why? I just googled it and it slated for 2013 release...Oh, the bitter tasted of defeat. I will direct! Let me try! The worst that can happen is that it will be a box office success! :naughty3dg:

Totally agree with you on Caprica. They charged out of the the gates, threw the jockey and ran wildly about without direction. If Blood & Chrome ever rears its ugly head, it will be too soon. Here's hoping!
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Posted 18 March 2012 - 12:20 AM

View PostCaptain Taurus, on 17 March 2012 - 08:46 PM, said:

Totally agree with on Caprica. They charged out of the the gates, threw the jockey and ran wildly about without direction. If Blood & Chrome ever rears its ugly head, it will be too soon. Here's hoping!

But the part that really sucks is that the last five (the 'final five') episodes were SOOOOO bloody good. Just like season 4 of ENTERPRISE; it was killed just when I started to really like it.

The only other spinoff I'd like to see from BSG someday is (maybe) a one-off, two-hour Cylon War 1 movie (I think Blood and Chrome as a series is a really BAD idea). But as far as a reboot of TOS (as in the Bryan Singer movie)? All I can say is; they got it right with the 2003 miniseries and there's really nowhere else for it to go...

Now, give the idea 15-20 years and a fresh production team and who knows what they could bring to the mix? But I personally am in NO hurry for a TOS reboot or a Bryan Singer movie version (which thankfully isn't happening anymore; check Singer's imdb page here.; it's no longer listed). Just because I'm a hardcore BSG fan doesn't mean I'll lap up anything with the BSG label and beg for more; it still has to be good entertainment, first and foremost. The 2003 BSG really upped the quality ante for the BSG brand name too; IMO, it's too hard to try to surpass at the moment.
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But the part that really sucks is that the last five (the 'final five') episodes were SOOOOO bloody good. Just like season 4 of ENTERPRISE; it was killed just when I started to really like it.

The only other spinoff I'd like to see from BSG someday is (maybe) a one-off, two-hour Cylon War 1 movie (I think Blood and Chrome as a series is a really BAD idea). But as far as a reboot of TOS (as in the Bryan Singer movie)? All I can say is; they got it right with the 2003 miniseries and there's really nowhere else for it to go...

Now, give the idea 15-20 years and a fresh production team and who knows what they could bring to the mix? But I personally am in NO hurry for a TOS reboot or a Bryan Singer movie version (which thankfully isn't happening anymore; check Singer's imdb page here.; it's no longer listed). Just because I'm a hardcore BSG fan doesn't mean I'll lap up anything with the BSG label and beg for more; it still has to be good entertainment, first and foremost. The 2003 BSG really upped the quality ante for the BSG brand name too; IMO, it's too hard to try to surpass at the moment.


Perhaps one day they will air Blood and Chrome as a TV movie and leave it at that...I personally, saw a lot of potential to tell a futuristic war series. So much potential to discuss things like how the Cylons turn on mankind, and what drives them to hate the human race, and collecting humans and learning how to become human, then the challenges that the colonies face dealing with their own machines turning on them. The conflict of man vs. machine, the epic battles that ensue in space and across the Galaxy. Allowing precursors to be set in place to set the stage for the Galactica! Lots and lots of foreshadowing of characters like Adama and Tigh. The story of Earth being blown up and the final five Cylons landing on the colonies during the war. Plus you could have all sorts of neat ideas like a love stories, stories about forged friendships in the heat of battle. I could go on and on and on about the potential but it ultimately boils down to imagination, budget and casting.

Sorry that they gave up on galactica 2013...would have been fun to watch a new version of the original series again. This time with the Cylons as bad guys and Colonials as good guys. I hate grey! lol. Black and white for this kid.
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Posted 18 March 2012 - 10:16 AM

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Perhaps one day they will air Blood and Chrome as a TV movie and leave it at that...I personally, saw a lot of potential to tell a futuristic war series. So much potential to discuss things like how the Cylons turn on mankind, and what drives them to hate the human race, and collecting humans and learning how to become human, then the challenges that the colonies face dealing with their own machines turning on them. The conflict of man vs. machine, the epic battles that ensue in space and across the Galaxy. Allowing precursors to be set in place to set the stage for the Galactica! Lots and lots of foreshadowing of characters like Adama and Tigh. The story of Earth being blown up and the final five Cylons landing on the colonies during the war. Plus you could have all sorts of neat ideas like a love stories, stories about forged friendships in the heat of battle. I could go on and on and on about the potential but it ultimately boils down to imagination, budget and casting.

Sorry that they gave up on galactica 2013...would have been fun to watch a new version of the original series again. This time with the Cylons as bad guys and Colonials as good guys. I hate grey! lol. Black and white for this kid.

Sadly, we live in a grey universe... :(
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Personally, I've always thought TOS Cylons were without motivation (universal ethnic cleansing, sure; but WHY?). All they did was hate and (try to) kill. I love NuBSG Cylons MUCH better; they were the angry adolescents of humanity. They had a raison de'etre. And, they were wronged as well (every 'bad guy' has their side of the story; that's how life works). Whether we can accept that or not depends on how much we CHOOSE to try to understand them. TOS Cylons, while visually dazzling, didn't really make sense....

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So much potential to discuss things like how the Cylons turn on mankind, and what drives them to hate the human race, and collecting humans and learning how to become human, then the challenges that the colonies face dealing with their own machines turning on them. The conflict of man vs. machine, the epic battles that ensue in space and across the Galaxy. Allowing precursors to be set in place to set the stage for the Galactica!


For me? I really think BSG covered most of that, as it plumbed the depths of the Cylon motivations (Adama even ASKED Sharon, "Why do the Cylons hate us?"). All we'd really be seeing with a new CW1 series is the mechanics of what was already (IMO) very much implicit in NuBSG. For CW1, we even had some awesome flashbacks in "Razor" (assuming one is a true BGS geek, and has seen the extended version :D ).

I really think the franchise needs a nice, long rest until someone comes along who can bring something to it that we HAVEN'T seen before.... ;)
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Sadly, we live in a grey universe... :(
There is still 'right and wrong' and 'good and bad', but the older I get? It just gets more and more subjective. It really does depend, as Obi Wan says, 'greatly upon a certain point of view...'

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Personally, I've always thought TOS Cylons were without motivation (universal ethnic cleansing, sure; but WHY?). All they did was hate and (try to) kill. I love NuBSG Cylons MUCH better; they were the angry adolescents of humanity. They had a raison de'etre. And, they were wronged as well (every 'bad guy' has their side of the story; that's how life works). Whether we can accept that or not depends on how much we CHOOSE to try to understand them. TOS Cylons, while visually dazzling, didn't really make sense....


The universe is only what we make it to be. I still see many things as Black and White...no grey here.

Anyways, yes, the original ones were without motivation other than they hated humanity. Adama gives a great speech about how Cylons hate everything that we treasure which, I suppose, is the motivation for the Cylons to kill humans. I would have liked to have seen more history with the Cylons. Plus, I would have loved to have enjoyed watching the Cylon numbers dwindle so that we can get more of a sense that the Galactica was getting the Cylons back for what they did to the colonies. In addition, I think it seemed to me that despite that the Galactica was 500 years old she was more than a match for a basestar, whereas in the new series it was almost as if the Galactica was outmatched in every way and shouldn't be trying to fight back. I hated that! I wanted my girl to whip some butt!



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For me? I really think BSG covered most of that, as it plumbed the depths of the Cylon motivations (Adama even ASKED Sharon, "Why do the Cylons hate us?"). All we'd really be seeing with a new CW1 series is the mechanics of what was already (IMO) very much implicit in NuBSG. For CW1, we even had some awesome flashbacks in "Razor" (assuming one is a true BGS geek, and has seen the extended version :D ).

I really think the franchise needs a nice, long rest until someone comes along who can bring something to it that we HAVEN'T seen before.... ;)


Why don't we go Hollywood and make a new series! I think the CW1 has so much potential to be more than a 2 hour episode.
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Posted 22 March 2012 - 06:47 AM

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Anyways, yes, the original ones were without motivation other than they hated humanity. Adama gives a great speech about how Cylons hate everything that we treasure which, I suppose, is the motivation for the Cylons to kill humans. I would have liked to have seen more history with the Cylons. Plus, I would have loved to have enjoyed watching the Cylon numbers dwindle so that we can get more of a sense that the Galactica was getting the Cylons back for what they did to the colonies. In addition, I think it seemed to me that despite that the Galactica was 500 years old she was more than a match for a basestar, whereas in the new series it was almost as if the Galactica was outmatched in every way and shouldn't be trying to fight back. I hated that! I wanted my girl to whip some butt!


The Cylons would never dwindle; they just produce more ships, troops whenever they needed them. Maybe if the colonials struck back at their home planet?

I don't quite understand how the old G being 500 yahrens old would make it a match for the Cylons? Wouldn't that make it an old, broken down rust bucket?!? Personally, I'd be terrified to fight a modern aircraft carrier in a Confederate steamer ship....
And 500 yahrens of wear and tear would be a liability, IMO. :doh:

And I thought it was more fitting that even though the new G was only 50-odd years old, fought in two wars, led the human race to a new haven and was flown into the sun (kind of like the myth of Icarus; felt more epic). I thought it was kind of tragic and poignant how she 'broke her back' jumping to earth; her final act of service to the human race. NuG felt more like a real ship to me...

Also, spaceships exist in a hostile, radiation-bathed vacuum; even the International Space Station (the most ambitious spacecraft ever built) is not designed to last 50 years (she'll be de-orbited in less than 25). 500 years (yahrens) of constant warfare would no-doubt weaken the infrastructure of a massive spacecraft such as Galactica considerably, I'd imagine. In the 'real universe', she'd have been a broken heap by then.

And the current aircraft carrier, USS Enterprise (Big E herself) CVN-65, is going (right now) on a 'final cruise' before being officially decommissioned this year (after 51 years of service.... just like the old G).
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Posted 22 March 2012 - 07:56 PM

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The Cylons would never dwindle; they just produce more ships, troops whenever they needed them. Maybe if the colonials struck back at their home planet?

I don't quite understand how the old G being 500 yahrens old would make it a match for the Cylons? Wouldn't that make it an old, broken down rust bucket?!? Personally, I'd be terrified to fight a modern aircraft carrier in a Confederate steamer ship....
And 500 yahrens of wear and tear would be a liability, IMO. :doh:

And I thought it was more fitting that even though the new G was only 50-odd years old, fought in two wars, led the human race to a new haven and was flown into the sun (kind of like the myth of Icarus; felt more epic). I thought it was kind of tragic and poignant how she 'broke her back' jumping to earth; her final act of service to the human race. NuG felt more like a real ship to me...

Also, spaceships exist in a hostile, radiation-bathed vacuum; even the International Space Station (the most ambitious spacecraft ever built) is not designed to last 50 years (she'll be de-orbited in less than 25). 500 years (yahrens) of constant warfare would no-doubt weaken the infrastructure of a massive spacecraft such as Galactica considerably, I'd imagine. In the 'real universe', she'd have been a broken heap by then.

And the current aircraft carrier, USS Enterprise (Big E herself) CVN-65, is going (right now) on a 'final cruise' before being officially decommissioned this year (after 51 years of service.... just like the old G).


Oh, I agree completely about the old Galactica being 500 years old would be a rust bucket not a fair match but it was a fair match for the Cylons. So regardless, the old series had it right a little better about the Galactica being a fair fight for the Cylons.

The new series, yes, had its share of moments for the Galactica but nothing like what I wanted to see. I wanted to see the Galactica jump back to Caprica and dish out some sweet Colonial Justice and blow them all out of the sky....muahahahhahha

But, like you said, the Galactica saved 50,000 people, destroyed several Cylon baseships, one Cylon Resurrection ship, and one main base and still had enough fight left in it to jump to Earth and save the human race one last time.

Woo hoo! Go Big E!!! I am going to miss that ship! She was the first nuclear powered aircraft carrier to be commissioned and now she has done her duty for God and country and steams into the sunset...AWESOME!
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Posted 24 March 2012 - 09:52 AM

One thing I absolutely LOVE about TOS BSG and it's even something even NuBSG paid homage to (on occasion) is Stu Philips' incredible score. I remember buying the soundtrack album (old LP format) as a kid and playing the bejeezus out of it. The opening title and the 'Exploration' theme (which Bear McCreary beautifully recreated in NuBSG's "Final Cut") still knock my socks off. I still play the 25th anniversary CD of it in my car all the time; the viper launch music is great when I'm launching onto those California freeways.... only to stop moments later when I'm stuck in traffic!
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A TV series that employed the services of the Los Angeles Philharmonic Orchestra.... wow! That was unprecedented in those days. And the payoff was well-rewarded; TOS BSG's music is so rich, romantic and heroic sounding that (IMO) it is the BEST made-for-television soundtrack of it's time. Up until 1978, no TV music even came close to the quality, opulence and majesty of Stu Philip's iconic score.
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I loved the homages paid to it in NuBSG/Caprica; it was the Colonial anthem in the pilot (played in the flyover at the G's decommissioning ceremony), it was whistled by the janitor mopping the floors in "Final Cut" (which segued into a beautifully grand, teiko drummed version right afterward). The opening 'bangs' of the "Exploration" theme were played on a piano by Daniel Graystone in "Caprica." And TOS music also played on a piano by Kara's 'ghost-dad' in "Someone To Watch Over Me."

And for me, on a personal note? Meeting Stu Philips at a con in Pasadena in 2005 was a genuine thrill for me. He was so humble and unassuming. He told me he was still amazed that people wanted his autograph. A wonderful man.... :cylonclap:
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One thing I absolutely LOVE about TOS BSG and it's even something even NuBSG paid homage to (on occasion) is Stu Philips' incredible score. I remember buying the soundtrack album (old LP format) as a kid and playing the bejeezus out of it. The opening title and the 'Exploration' theme (which Bear McCreary beautifully recreated in NuBSG's "Final Cut") still knock my socks off. I still play the 25th anniversary CD of it in my car all the time; the viper launch music is great when I'm launching onto those California freeways.... only to stop moments later when I'm stuck in traffic!
:doh: :P

A TV series that employed the services of the Los Angeles Philharmonic Orchestra.... wow! That was unprecedented in those days. And the payoff was well-rewarded; TOS BSG's music is so rich, romantic and heroic sounding that (IMO) it is the BEST made-for-television soundtrack of it's time. Up until 1978, no TV music even came close to the quality, opulence and majesty of Stu Philip's iconic score.
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I loved the homages paid to it in NuBSG/Caprica; it was the Colonial anthem in the pilot (played in the flyover at the G's decommissioning ceremony), it was whistled by the janitor mopping the floors in "Final Cut" (which segued into a beautifully grand, teiko drummed version right afterward). The opening 'bangs' of the "Exploration" theme were played on a piano by Daniel Graystone in "Caprica." And TOS music also played on a piano by Kara's 'ghost-dad' in "Someone To Watch Over Me."

And for me, on a personal note? Meeting Stu Philips at a con in Pasadena in 2005 was a genuine thrill for me. He was so humble and unassuming. He told me he was still amazed that people wanted his autograph. A wonderful man.... :cylonclap:


The theme was amazing and so recognizable. One of the many joys of the original series was its musical score. When you heard the opening theme, it immediately paints a picture that this is a grand, epic movie. The theme is as large as the Galactica and personally, I believe it adds some heft to the show.

Meeting Stu Philips, that must have been awesome. I must say, I am a tinge jealous of you, but only a little. I am very happy that you met him. Would have loved to have heard that theme again in Exodus! That would have rocked! I get way to fired up thinking what they could have done with the New BSG! Alas, the show is over. Cheers!

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Posted 28 March 2012 - 12:25 AM

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The theme was amazing and so recognizable. One of the many joys of the original series was its musical score. When you heard the opening theme, it immediately paints a picture that this is a grand, epic movie. The theme is as large as the Galactica and personally, I believe it adds some heft to the show.

Meeting Stu Philips, that must have been awesome. I must say, I am a tinge jealous of you, but only a little. I am very happy that you met him. Would have loved to have heard that theme again in Exodus! That would have rocked! I get way to fired up thinking what they could have done with the New BSG! Alas, the show is over. Cheers!

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It's not in "Exodus", but you do hear it in "Daybreak" part 3 when Adama launches his solo viper and takes a last look at the old G....

Stu Philips' BSG theme was also my ringtone on my old flip phone a long time ago. I've (sadly) changed phones since then and lost it. I need to re-download it.
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