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Posted 09 April 2007 - 11:34 AM

Discuss Saga of a Star World Parts 1-3 here.

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Posted 09 April 2007 - 04:06 PM

Just watched this last nite on ION TV, very cool and nice looking for the era. Theres no doubt that Baltar is guilty here!
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Posted 15 April 2007 - 11:11 PM

One thing that bugged me. WHY did Baltar do it? Was he so naive that he thought the Imperious Leader would let him rule over the remaining humans?
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Posted 15 April 2007 - 11:34 PM

QUOTE (ColonialMarine @ Apr 15 2007, 11:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
One thing that bugged me. WHY did Baltar do it? Was he so naive that he thought the Imperious Leader would let him rule over the remaining humans?


His lust for power corrupted him so much.
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Posted 16 April 2007 - 12:10 AM

I think the most powerful scene was when Galactica was hearing all the radio calls from the fire departments and people calling for help and all the Galactica crew could do was listen because they were helpless
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Posted 16 April 2007 - 12:33 AM

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I think the most powerful scene was when Galactica was hearing all the radio calls from the fire departments and people calling for help and all the Galactica crew could do was listen because they were helpless


Yeah and the looks on their faces of the horror and destruction. Very chilling indeed.
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Posted 16 April 2007 - 03:43 PM

Those dancers heads were F R E A K Y man!
There was a lot of naive and stupid people on those ships. Especially the one council member whose name I cant remember, threw the big ceremony for Apollo, Boomer, and Starbuck.
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Posted 16 April 2007 - 08:17 PM

the 2003 mini series didn't capture the destruction of the colonies and the fleets destruction like the 1978 film done that was a bit sad.

The 2006 fan edit by David Kerin of the 1978 film increased footage of the battle between the Colonies and the Cylons and made it very spectacular
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Posted 19 January 2008 - 04:51 PM

I'm gonna have to say I liked the novelization of this "telemovie" better, but it was still pretty nice to watch it on screen.

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One thing that bugged me. WHY did Baltar do it? Was he so naive that he thought the Imperious Leader would let him rule over the remaining humans?


Baltar had made an arrangement with the Imperious Leader that his planet was to be spared and he would be the one to rule over it. The look on his face though when the Imperious Leader told him he had changed the "bargain" was priceless.

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Those dancers heads were F R E A K Y man!
There was a lot of naive and stupid people on those ships. Especially the one council member whose name I cant remember, threw the big ceremony for Apollo, Boomer, and Starbuck.


The guys name was Sire Uri, he was such an a$$.
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Posted 20 January 2008 - 10:36 AM

I think the original movie captured things that the new one didn't but the new one played up other things that the old one didn't.

Things done better

TOS - Was better because the Galactica didn't seem so frail. Adama was a little more on the ball. The destruction of the colonies seemed to make more sense than in the new one. Baltar was just pure evil.
The destruction of the fleet was only a tad better. The loyalty and dedication of the crew to each other and to the fleet. Villains were way better because they were evil! None of this they sort of evil but sort of good crap!

TNS - Established life on the colonies in greater detail and therefore demonstrated its destruction with more horror than the OS. Galactica is strategically a better equipped ship than the OS. Interesting twist making her the oldest ship in the fleet rather than the newest. The Galactica looks better. More horror which was better the OS because everyone in the OS seemed way to happy after the destruction of the colonies. Having the Cylons being a product of mankind was a great twist. Suspense at times is better than the OS especially trying to figure out who is a Cylon and who isn't.

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TOS - kept coming across various outposts and civilizations that were human! Making the destruction of the Colonies meaningless! If all these humans exist than why was it so important to destroy the colonies. Not enough drama at times. Their names - Starbuck, Apollo, Boomer - that was their names not their callsigns in the OS! Everyone went by a single name. The Military aspect wasn't as good as it could have been but it was suppose to be something completely different from what we are use to.

TNS - Way too negative! Where the OS was too cheery, this series is too bleak! We need a compromise! A blend of both! No clear explanation as to why the original Cylons rebelled or how they created the skin jobs or how they developed better technology than the humans? Portraying humans as being all too negative which isn't true. Some are real scum bags but there are your stereo-typical heroes too.


TIED!

Great characters in both series. Both charming. Starbucks - tied! Like them both and ironically for the same reasons. Both are smart, charming and kick ass! Adama is great in both series. I like all the characters. Well done!

Sex and sexy! Hot sexy people in the OS and hot sexy people in the new one! Lots of skirt chasing!

Cylons - tied! Like both the old and the new ones.

Special effects - tied! Great special effects for its day for the OS and great special effects for the new one!

Stories - tied in many respects. While both series have had their share of bad episodes they have also shared in some great episodes as well.

Pegasus! Tied! Different Pegesus' and different types of Cain, but different eras as well. So each one was perfect for the time that they represent!
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Posted 21 January 2008 - 09:14 PM

Captain Taurus, nicely compared/contrasted.

With how the Galactica survived, in the OS, it was simply because Adama made a decision to leave the battle at Cimtar and attempt to intercept the basestars attacking the colonies. When the battle at Cimtar was lost and the colonies destroyed, they gathered the ships and left. In TNS, it was simply luck and great timing that allowed Galactica to survive. They dispose of their ammunition and it just so happens that on the same day, the Cylons wipe out the human race. If Galactica was going to be decomissioned the next day instead, she would have been destroyed in Virgon's orbit.

In terms of how the colonies were struck, both were equally devious. While in OS, the remaining military was put under a false sense of security, and it was just a trap to lure the unprepared colonials to their doom, in TNS it was a sneaky attack that dealt the same damage by more "modern" methods, using computer program weaknesses and the infiltration of the colonies. The second, however, was more "cost-effective" in terms of Cylon losses.
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Posted 23 January 2008 - 11:25 PM

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Captain Taurus, nicely compared/contrasted.


Thanks Sagittaron!

I think all those years of University have finally paid off. Arguing both sides has become almost second nature at times. Mind you, I have also had my share of bad arguments as well.

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With how the Galactica survived, in the OS, it was simply because Adama made a decision to leave the battle at Cimtar and attempt to intercept the basestars attacking the colonies. When the battle at Cimtar was lost and the colonies destroyed, they gathered the ships and left. In TNS, it was simply luck and great timing that allowed Galactica to survive. They dispose of their ammunition and it just so happens that on the same day, the Cylons wipe out the human race. If Galactica was going to be decomissioned the next day instead, she would have been destroyed in Virgon's orbit.


Both are completely different scenarios but I think if you look at the OS, Adama is the first one to say lets send out a welcoming committee of our own! Then he has his vipers on stand-by and then he is the one saying lets get out of here and head for home. Because he also realizes that if this was a trap for the Battlestars and all the cylon fighters are here, then where are the Baseships? And he was right, all the baseships were heading for the colonies to destroy them while all the Battlestars were being kept busy. See this is what I liked about the OS, that Adama was not only a good commanding officer but an excellent tactician! Whereas like you said the NS has Adama and Galactica surviving out of luck not ingenuity. Not saying that is a horrible thing it just not the way I like to see an old favorite hero portrayed as being someone who survived because they were in an old ship versus being really smart and being able to counterstrike against the Cylons. That's what I meant when I said that the OS Adama seemed a little sharper and a little bit more on the ball than the way how they portray the new Adama. At least in recent episodes they have at least given Adama more credibility like organizing that rescue mission on new Caprica. That was smart and lucky.

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In terms of how the colonies were struck, both were equally devious. While in OS, the remaining military was put under a false sense of security, and it was just a trap to lure the unprepared colonials to their doom, in TNS it was a sneaky attack that dealt the same damage by more "modern" methods, using computer program weaknesses and the infiltration of the colonies. The second, however, was more "cost-effective" in terms of Cylon losses.


Both were sneak attacks. The first one was almost like the Trojan Horse scenario. Here we offer you peace and friendship. "Now kill all the humans!" Whereas in the new series it plays out more like Pearl Harbor. No warnings, all ships destroyed, major loss of life and virtually no loss to the enemy.

So tell me what do you think are the strengths and weaknesses of both series?
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Posted 24 January 2008 - 09:38 PM

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So tell me what do you think are the strengths and weaknesses of both series?


Plotwise, TNS wins by a mile. TOS started excellent in Saga of a Star World and Lost Planet of the Gods, but drifted to blander stories, save the 2-parters that were great. Getting rid of the Cylons and introducing other enemies seemed odd, as the Cylons demonstrated a most powerful opponent and should have been the whole way through. In TNS, they made great irony by making the Cylons man-made. They took the "man's machine rebelling against man" idea to a whole new level. While the theme has been used in Terminator, I Robot, The Matrix, and more, it was enhanced in BSG, involving machine religion and the unique story of hidden humanoid Cylons within human society.

Overall with the plot of both BSG's, the premise is very original. One day, Glen Larson thinks "how about a race of genocidal space-faring robots with one eye that attack and destroy a far-off human civilisation, that inhabits twelve worlds named after the signs of the Greek zodiac, and they escape in a warship and a fleet of vessels to find a lost colony... called... um... Earth!"
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Posted 25 January 2008 - 08:45 PM

Also remember that the original BSG series was rushed into production, i remember watching an segment on the extras DVD that during the Living Legend episodes the actors were looking at a far wall to read their upcoming lines because they came in a rush
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Posted 26 January 2008 - 12:23 AM

QUOTE (Sagittaron @ Jan 25 2008, 02:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Plotwise, TNS wins by a mile. TOS started excellent in Saga of a Star World and Lost Planet of the Gods, but drifted to blander stories, save the 2-parters that were great. Getting rid of the Cylons and introducing other enemies seemed odd, as the Cylons demonstrated a most powerful opponent and should have been the whole way through. In TNS, they made great irony by making the Cylons man-made. They took the "man's machine rebelling against man" idea to a whole new level. While the theme has been used in Terminator, I Robot, The Matrix, and more, it was enhanced in BSG, involving machine religion and the unique story of hidden humanoid Cylons within human society.

Overall with the plot of both BSG's, the premise is very original. One day, Glen Larson thinks "how about a race of genocidal space-faring robots with one eye that attack and destroy a far-off human civilisation, that inhabits twelve worlds named after the signs of the Greek zodiac, and they escape in a warship and a fleet of vessels to find a lost colony... called... um... Earth!"



The plot is definitely more intricate than the old series by far. One of the reasons why I kept watching the series was because there were so many layers to the stories which made for some excellent story telling. But I also enjoyed the simplicity of the old one. It was quite fascinating watching the relationship between a new civilization being so strongly influenced by old civilizations such as the viper helmets looked like a Pharos crown. Adama pendent being the key to open an old vault in a pyramid on Kobol. Things like that also added layers to the old series. Plus it was nice not always dealing with the cylons. They were like the bad guys of the week. Something like the Klingons on Star Trek. Also the pros to the old series was that the good guys were good and the bad guys were bad. The good ol' seventies!

I think my biggest complaint about this new series is that our heroes keep getting their butts kicked. They have become the whipping boys for the Cylons. This is why the ratings have been in question. I think people love the intricate plot and the stories are told well but they lack a certain level of humanity. Remember we are not the bad guys, there is suppose to be an argument for our survival, not proof that we don't deserve to live. Kudos for the writers for keeping Galactica going 4 years which is 1.5 years longer than the original series. So in this sense the series is far more successful than the original. But its appeal is far more restricted than the original. No one in my family will watch the new series except for me. And they were all big Galactica fans in the seventies. They can't stand the misery in the stories, it turned them off.

I do like that twist that was something I had thought of before the show started was the fight between the Cylons and the humans didn't make much sense in the original series and wouldn't it be interesting if they had a personal grudge with the humans because of something that the humans did to them or had some part in their creation. Sure enough they were the creators! So that made it more applicable to our current situation - the cylons are like our destructive weapons like nuclear bombs and other forms of war which can at any point turn on us and destroy us completely. So there is a great sense of irony with the Cylons being created by man to protect mankind but end up destroying us.

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Posted 26 January 2008 - 12:26 AM

QUOTE (Aussie Trekkie @ Jan 26 2008, 01:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Also remember that the original BSG series was rushed into production, i remember watching an segment on the extras DVD that during the Living Legend episodes the actors were looking at a far wall to read their upcoming lines because they came in a rush



Interesting point, part of that had to due with the tight budget restrictions for doing the show. At the time Galactica was the most expensive show on the air at a cost of 1 Million dollars per episode. That is nothing now but back then that was huge! Another reason for the change in cast in BSG:1980. New actors, low salary, jump the story to Earth and the show was suppose to be able to keep going. NOT!
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Posted 28 January 2008 - 05:52 PM

QUOTE (Captain Taurus @ Jan 26 2008, 05:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Also the pros to the old series was that the good guys were good and the bad guys were bad.
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I think my biggest complaint about this new series is that our heroes keep getting their butts kicked. They have become the whipping boys for the Cylons. This is why the ratings have been in question. I think people love the intricate plot and the stories are told well but they lack a certain level of humanity. No one in my family will watch the new series except for me. And they were all big Galactica fans in the seventies. They can't stand the misery in the stories, it turned them off.


The same thing led to the box office demise of Blade Runner. While it was a cult hit, it lacked major viewing. People like the simple good cop vs bad robots idea, but the story wasn't like that, and most disliked it. I suppose Galactica's ratings would go up but critical acclaim would go down if they won all their battles, main characters did not die, and everyone is happy about life, even though they are living through a holocaust.
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Posted 28 April 2008 - 10:37 PM

Just rewatched this episode. After 30 years, it still stands up. Though not as dramatic as the 2003 mini-series, it's still good. Good characters. I still have a bit of trouble with the whole casino during the last quarter of the episode.

One thing I never got: the survivors sure get over having the Colonies destroyed pretty quick.
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Posted 29 April 2008 - 07:31 PM

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Just rewatched this episode. After 30 years, it still stands up. Though not as dramatic as the 2003 mini-series, it's still good. Good characters. I still have a bit of trouble with the whole casino during the last quarter of the episode.

One thing I never got: the survivors sure get over having the Colonies destroyed pretty quick.


This is a fairly common complaint, but you really need to look at the context in which the situation arises. Their worlds have been destroyed and those few that have survived are living in practical ghettos with no food or news from outside their own vessels. In fact some are worried that they have even been abandoned to their fate by the rest of the fleet. And then all of sudden they find an oasis, apparently untouched by the war with an abundance of food, fuel and yes, diversion. An apparent refuge, at least according to some of their leaders. One only needs to consider some of the tales that have been recorded about Jews who seemingly escaped the Third Reich in Portugal to see that this was a very human reaction to the illusion of having escaped fate, however temporarily.


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Posted 29 April 2008 - 09:09 PM

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This is a fairly common complaint, but you really need to look at the context in which the situation arises. Their worlds have been destroyed and those few that have survived are living in practical ghettos with no food or news from outside their own vessels. In fact some are worried that they have even been abandoned to their fate by the rest of the fleet. And then all of sudden they find an oasis, apparently untouched by the war with an abundance of food, fuel and yes, diversion. An apparent refuge, at least according to some of their leaders. One only needs to consider some of the tales that have been recorded about Jews who seemingly escaped the Third Reich in Portugal to see that this was a very human reaction to the illusion of having escaped fate, however temporarily.


Never thought of it that way. Thanks for the input!
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